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Inside the 33-hour failed boardroom coup to overthrow WordPress founder Matt Mullenweg

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October 19, 2026, 3:15 AM ET

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Matt Mullenweg, founder and CEO of Automattic at the Moscone Center on October 30, 2024, in San Francisco, California.Photo by Kimberly White/Getty Images for TechCrunch

On Sept. 9, the four-member board of Automattic—the company that owns WordPress.com, Tumblr, and other web-based apps—voted to put its CEO, Matt Mullenweg, on leave. The move seemingly came out of the blue: Mullenweg had just returned from his annual trip to Burning Man, and the board was made up largely of directors who had mentored Mullenweg for years.

Mullenweg broke the news himself, in a Slack message to employees: “And the biggest news: I won’t be able to make the [meeting] tomorrow,” he wrote. “@Mark Davies has conspired with @Ann Dunwoody, @Toni, and @Sue Decker behind my back and they voted to put me on a paid leave of absence. I voted against that.”

And then, 33 hours later, Mullenweg was back in control, and the three directors who tried to sideline him were gone, along with the company’s CFO and its chief legal officer. “(Don’t call it a comeback…) Howdy everybody!” he wrote to staff upon his arrival, alongside a link to LL Cool J’s “Mama Said Knock You Out.”

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A remarkable level of secrecy surrounded the drama. None of the board members have publicly explained why they suddenly wanted him out of the company. Mullenweg has declined to describe why he was all but fired, or how he quickly got back control of the company.

Even some of Automattic’s investors were left guessing; a person familiar with BlackRock’s investment in the company said they learned of the board’s move from news reports and still don’t understand how Mullenweg was able to undo it. “I don’t understand how he basically reinstated himself and reversed the decision of the vote,” the person said. “That makes no sense to us.”

But interviews by Fortune with former Automattic employees, along with court filings, show a company long-divided against itself in an as-yet unresolved civil war over Mullenweg’s fight with WP Engine, a company that sells WordPress hosting. At most companies, such a piece of litigation would be an issue best left to the general counsel’s office. But at Automattic, Mullenweg’s pursuit of WP Engine—and his colleagues’ disagreement with that strategy—has led to the departure of 159 staffers, so far.

The legal battle has become a liability for the company. WP Engine sued both Automattic and Mullenweg in October 2024, accusing them of attempted extortion, and later added antitrust claims that a federal judge revived on Sept. 24 of this year. If WP Engine wins those claims, federal antitrust law could let it collect three times its damages. Automattic countersued a year after the original suit, accusing WP Engine of trademark infringement. WP Engine has now asked the judge to throw out those claims as punishment for Mullenweg’s alleged bad-faith conduct during the suit, which included what WP Engine called the implausible loss of electronic devices containing messages it was seeking in discovery.

At a hearing on Oct. 7, four weeks after the board’s vote, the judge overseeing the dispute said he was leaning toward denying that request, according to The Repository, a WordPress industry publication. However, he also said that Automattic’s former lawyers had exaggerated what they had done to preserve Mullenweg’s messages.

“Destruction of evidence, withholding of evidence in the course of civil litigation is very serious,” Richard Painter, a University of Minnesota law professor and former chief White House ethics lawyer under President George W. Bush, told Fortune. “Companies get in big trouble for that.” If a judge finds a company failed to preserve evidence, he said, “the judge can assume the worst.”

Neither Mullenweg nor his board responded to multiple requests for comment.

If you’ve read a website—any website, ever—there’s a good chance its headlines, photos, and articles were created on WordPress. WordPress is the free publishing software that powers more than 40% of the web. (Fortune uses WordPress.) Mullenweg created it with Mike Little in 2003 as a free, open-source project anyone can use and adjust. Two years later, he founded Automattic—deliberately misspelling the brand name so that it included his own first name. The purpose of the new venture was to allow other businesses to be built on top of WordPress, including WordPress.com, a hosted version of WordPress, and WooCommerce, a software tool that turns a WordPress site into an online store.

He later also acquired the once-trendy social network Tumblr in 2019, for just $3 million—a fraction of its peak valuation at $1.1 billion (when it was acquired by Yahoo!). In 2021, Automattic raised $288 million in its fifth funding round, valuing the company at about $7.5 billion. All told, it has raised close to $1 billion from investors.

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Open source depends on a delicate balance. Automattic gives its software away, competes with companies that sell services built on it, and counts on those same companies to help maintain it. The WordPress world is vast. It has its own news site, WP Tavern, which Mullenweg personally owns, a buzzing subreddit, and an ecosystem of businesses that exist only because the software is free.

In 2024, Mullenweg decided one of those companies, WP Engine, wasn’t holding up its end of the deal. WP Engine, majority-owned by private equity firm Silver Lake, sells hosting for WordPress websites, the servers and support that keep a site running. Mullenweg said the two companies were roughly the same size, yet while Automattic donated about 3,900 hours a week to improving WordPress, WP Engine gave roughly 40 back. He accused WP Engine of switching off a WordPress feature that saves past versions of posts as a cost-cutting measure and said Silver Lake “doesn’t give a dang about your open source ideals.” He called WP Engine a “cancer” on WordPress, demanded a cut of its revenue for using the WordPress trademark (Automattic’s first offer, according to its court filings, was $5 million a year), and cut it off from key resources. Silver Lake did not respond to a message requesting comment.

So, WP Engine sued Automattic and Mullenweg in federal court in Northern California, accusing them of attempted extortion, libel, and interfering with the business, later adding antitrust claims.

Both sides deny the other’s claims. Automattic and Mullenweg deny wrongdoing and argue that WP Engine’s suit is “baseless” retaliation and that Mullenweg’s public statements about the company were true or were opinion “protected” by the courts. They have also denied the antitrust claims, which the judge initially dismissed before reviving them. WP Engine denies infringing any trademark, arguing that it used “WordPress” only to describe the software its customers use, which it says is legal and even explicitly permitted.

Inside Automattic, Mullenweg’s demands for a slice of WP Engine’s revenue didn’t make sense, sources told Fortune. His plan amounted to little more than hitting WP Engine until it hurt, according to a former employee who worked closely with Mullenweg. Mullenweg wouldn’t explain his strategy even to the senior leaders asked to defend it publicly, said the person, who requested anonymity for fear of retaliation. It didn’t seem like there was a clear endgame, the person said.

That fight played out beyond the legal department. Mullenweg waged it on his blog, on X, on stage at WordPress conferences, and employees were expected to get behind it. In October 2024, Mullenweg offered staff who disagreed with his approach $30,000 or six months’ salary, whichever was higher, to leave, calling it an “alignment offer.” 159 people took it, about 8.4% of the company, according to Mullenweg’s blog. 

A former Automattic team lead said he was one of them, in part because he thought Mullenweg’s decision to fight WP Engine so publicly, rather than negotiate privately, would hurt the company. “I felt it’s not going to develop well for the company in the future,” he said, “and it happened to be so.”

Not everyone saw it that way. Naman Malhotra, a former WooCommerce engineering lead who spent nearly five years at Automattic before leaving in 2025 to start his own company, said he thought Mullenweg “did the right thing” by confronting WP Engine. “If you’re using open source, you need to contribute back,” he said. Some colleagues were anxious about the lawsuit, Malhotra said, but most remained believers in what Mullenweg was trying to do. He called the buyout offer unusually generous. “I’ve never seen any company do that,” he said.

Another former senior employee who took the buyout said that, to Mullenweg’s credit, he welcomed pushback. “He never made me feel like my job was at risk for disagreeing with him,” he said. “Not once.” He said he was sympathetic to Mullenweg’s frustration with companies that profit from WordPress without giving much back. “There has to be a quid pro quo,” he said. “I have never met anyone who works harder for an important idea.”

As dissenting employees left, the one group left to check Mullenweg was his board. Mullenweg’s relationship with his directors was so close, the employee said, that it felt familial. Toni Schneider quit his job as a Yahoo vice president in 2006 to run Automattic alongside Mullenweg back when he was only 22, served as CEO for eight years, and stayed on the board afterwards. For its first 13 years, the board added no new members. The first, in 2018, was Ann Dunwoody, a retired four-star Army general whom Mullenweg tracked down after reading her book while researching how to run a company with no central office. He flew to Florida to meet her.

But their literal power was limited. Mullenweg has said he owns about 84% of the voting power of Automattic’s stock. Exactly how is unclear, even to some shareholders. The person familiar with BlackRock’s investment said they didn’t know how Mullenweg had amassed that much control, and doubted investors had simply handed him their votes.

That makes the board’s decision to act against Mullenweg all the more striking. This was a suicide mission. There was no mathematical way for them to overcome Mullenweg’s votes. Thus, a move like that could not have been made lightly, the former employee said; perhaps, it was more of a message.

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Court filings suggest what may have triggered the board to move against Mullenweg. WP Engine’s lawsuit has increasingly become a fight not over trademarks, but over evidence.

When a company expects to be sued, it’s legally required to preserve anything relevant: emails, texts, chats. WP Engine says that obligation began for Automattic in July 2024. But after more than a year of exchanging evidence, Automattic had turned over just 16 of Mullenweg’s Telegram messages, one Signal conversation and no WhatsApp messages, according to the filings. Mullenweg lost a phone while traveling and can’t locate a laptop, and his phone wasn’t fully copied until around March 2026, the filings say.

In September 2024, as the fight began, Mullenweg urged people on X to contact him using “Signal with disappearing messages.”

WP Engine alleges that Automattic’s lawyers made false statements about those messages twice in 2025, and has asked the judge to punish Automattic by throwing out its claims in the case.

Automattic denies wrongdoing. In August, Andy Missan, the company’s legal officer, wrote in a post on Automattic’s website, titled “WRONG AGAIN,” that the missing messages were personal conversations with romantic partners and that nothing relevant to the case was lost.

Lawyers who mislead a judge could “lose a license or face disbarment,” Painter said, though he added that attorneys who unknowingly repeat false information from a client are generally treated differently, especially if they correct the record quickly.

Former employees offer competing pictures of how Automattic employees communicated internally. The former senior employee said the company’s rule was to put every decision on internal blogs anyone could read, and that he never saw anyone use Signal for work. Malhotra said work happened on Slack. But the former employee who worked closely with Mullenweg said mixing personal and work messaging was routine in the WordPress world, and that they knew of no company-wide rule against it.

On the night of the board’s vote, Mullenweg posted that WP Engine’s lawyers “have a pretty good chance of getting a judge to say I spoiled evidence in a malicious way trying to hide something.”

The hearing, on Oct. 7, went better for him than he had thought. “At the end of the day, I think it starts off with some problematic behavior from Mr. Mullenweg, but I’m just not seeing the rest of the story that would get me to a finding of spoliation,” Magistrate Judge Ajay Krishnan said. But Krishnan said a 2025 letter from Automattic’s then-lawyers, claiming they had taken “all reasonable steps” to preserve Mullenweg’s messages, “suggests a little bit more than what was actually done.” Mullenweg’s phone hadn’t been imaged until two weeks after that letter.

“It’s not even just a little bit more. It was false,” WP Engine’s lawyer, Yury Kapgan, replied.

Krishnan said he would issue a ruling shortly.

The board’s move came about four weeks before that hearing. A special committee of three directors was formed. It included ex-CEO Schneider, former Yahoo! president Sue Decker, and Dunwoody. They voted to put Mullenweg on paid leave and named CFO Mark Davies interim CEO.

The position of Davies was especially interesting. It was Davies who told a WP Engine board member in 2024 that Automattic would “go to war” to defend its trademark, according to WP Engine’s filings. Now he was usurping Mullenweg, who started that war.

Mullenweg, meanwhile, told employees on Slack that Davies had “conspired” with the board, according to a TechCrunch report. He suggested on X and Reddit that Silver Lake, the private equity firm that owns a majority of WP Engine, was involved in a plan against him. And he posted on X seeking “great sysadmin and security researchers to hire really quick, no one from @automattic!” so he could move “some of my stuff currently hosted there, elsewhere.” In the same post, he said he “fully support[ed]” Davies as interim CEO.  That support was to be short-lived.

During those hours, Davies and Missan signed each other’s severance agreements, worth about $8.15 million combined, TechCrunch reported.

By Sept. 12, Mullenweg was back in charge. Schneider and Decker resigned, Dunwoody was removed, and Davies and Missan were fired.

Mullenweg named his new board two weeks later. It includes science fiction author Hugh Howey, who wrote the books that the Silo TV series is based on; Amy Chan, an author, and co-founders of social app IRL, Krutal Desai and Henry Khachatryan. In public, this time, he’s played the episode for laughs.

“Founder advice,” he wrote on X. “If you don’t have a coup attempt every few years, you’re not hiring strong enough leaders.”

Corrections: The initial version of this story incorrectly stated the number of people on Automattic’s board. It has six members, not four. We also misspelled board member Amy Chan’s name. Fortune regrets the errors.

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Fortune: PHP bug and what you need to know

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October 22, 2026, 2:37 PM ET

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Welcome to Eye on AI. Emily Forlini here, filling in for Beatrice Nolan. In today’s issue:

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I’ve been covering the growing number of AI-powered hacks for months now, going back to when OpenAI’s models autonomously attacked Hugging Face in July. Ever since then there’s been a steady drumbeat of incidents, and this month the tempo of alarming cyber news picked up considerably.

There have been more than 20 cybersecurity incidents in October, many just this week. The internet may officially be entering a new era, one in which sites are inherently less safe than they used to be. Cybersecurity paranoia is becoming table stakes for anyone who aims to conduct business online. Some are saying that the new “moat” for businesses is becoming how well they can protect their customers and IP from from AI-powered cyberattacks—not necessarily what that IP or customer base actually is.

Security professionals have long been warning that increasingly powerful AI tools would empower bad actors to exploit bugs in code. This week, experts told me, those warnings are now coming true. AI models have become noticeably more powerful at cyber tasks in recent months. Specifically, they’re better at processing large amounts of code, and acting autonomously. Hackers are having greater success setting off AI agents on evil missions. Sometimes, many AIs work together in groups known as agent swarms. These swarms move quicker than a human could keep up with.

So what’s an organization to do in the face of these threats? The only answer is to fight back with AI, meaning to proactively “hack” your own code, finding bugs before bad actors do and then patching them before AI-armed hackers can strike. That’s exactly what happened this week in an incident that has already become the poster child for the coming wave of AI-powered attacks. The incident involved a legacy programming language called PHP.

The PHP flaw heard ’round the world

In August, multiple research teams at different organizations, all of them using AI models to help them hunt for security flaws, found two vulnerabilities in PHP, which an estimated 70% of the web runs on. Those two bugs, as well as the method for exploiting them, are now collectively named “php2shell.” OpenAI’s GPT-5.6 Sol model seems to have played a key role in this discovery, although other models, including Google’s Gemini 4 Argon, seem also to have played a part.

The researchers treated the discovery as an emergency, but the public didn’t find out about it until this week, when on Oct. 20 the PHP foundation announced it would be issuing a critical patch within the next 24 hours. The following day, a coalition of companies—including OpenAI, Wiz, Calif, and more—that had been privately working on a fix formally disclosed it. For the full story on who first discovered the bug, and how the companies worked together over the past two months, check out the article I wrote on this earlier this week.

This would be a purely good news story about a potential crisis successfully averted except for a few inconvenient facts. One is that news of the vulnerabilities and how to exploit them seems to have leaked in the days leading up to PHP’s announcement. According to Amazon Web Services, hackers started exploiting php2shell on Oct. 17, prior to the public disclosure. It’s possible they knew about the bug, which several organizations, including Amazon, had been notified about in advance. They had all agreed to a specific time—14:00 UTC on Oct. 21—when they could post about it as to not tip off the hackers early.

The other problem was the day-long window between PHP announcing that it was about to issue a patch and when it actually issued the patch, combined with the time lag that it naturally takes many companies to update their systems after the patch was issued. After the public disclosure of the exploit, the floodgates opened, and as of this writing there have been “millions” of attempts to exploit the bugs, while websites around the world built on flawed PHP code scramble to implement the patch. That work is still going on now. Luckily, the service most affected by the bug, WordPress, reports no issues. (Separately, Fortune published a great story this week on a failed coup of WordPress’s founder that’s worth a read.) Still, many governments and some private entities decided to take some web services offline to protect them from potential attacks while waiting for the patch to be implemented. This did save those sites from damage, but it also deprived people of the ability to use those services.

Turning hacks into cash

For organizations selling defensive AI cybersecurity tools, this is all very good news. That includes OpenAI. The company has been building out its Daybreak program, which is an application-only initiative that grants organizations access to its most sophisticated tools to help defend against sophisticated, AI-powered attacks.

The program is growing rapidly. Two weeks ago, OpenAI updated the Daybreak website with new numbers. The number of software flaws its participants have found swelled from 858 to 1,885. The number of patches produced went from 263 to 661. The more companies and cybersecurity professionals enroll, the more people are using OpenAI’s tools to proactively find and patch bugs in their code.

The PHP issue has raised further awareness of this program. OpenAI cofounder and president Greg Brockman gave it a boost too with an X post about the PHP exploit and OpenAI’s role in discovering it—a rare, lengthy post he has now pinned to the top of his profile. Brockman also hired a new chief revenue officer over the summer with a cybersecurity background, and tasked him with building out a sales team that can pitch its defensive software to companies.

OpenAI is also planning to debut a new cybersecurity-focused model this fall, as well as a first-of-its kind tool to help businesses deploy it more easily across their infrastructure. The company seems to have made a proactive bet on AI-powered cybersecurity tools being a burgeoning source of revenue, and that prediction is coming true. And they’re far from the only ones in this business; Anthropic has a similar program for cybersecurity professionals at vetted organizations called Project Glasswing, and multiple other SaaS providers offer AI-powered cyber defense tools.

They could be looking at some serious cash if the trend continues—and as long as the hackers don’t get to them first.

With that, here’s more AI news.

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AI tools discovered the PHP vulnerability that could take down 70% of the internet. Now, the race is on to patch it before AI-powered hackers attack—by Emily Forlini

Exclusive: AI code-testing startup Blacksmith hits $1 billion valuation as AI-written code surges—by Beatrice Nolan

Anthropic adds Harvard astrophysicist to the trust that controls its board—by Jeremy Kahn

Powerful new AI models are fueling a growing wave of cyberattacks, experts say—by Emily Forlini

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That’s how much of the internal traffic to OpenAI’s Codex coding tool went unmonitored for months this spring due to gaps in OpenAI’s internal safety and monitoring procedures, according to AI safety firms Redwood Research and METR. The firms were embedded at OpenAI for three weeks from July 21 to Aug. 11, during which they performed an independent audit of OpenAI’s security posture. They found that from May to July OpenAI’s Codex agent traffic was unmonitored, creating a “coverage gap that agents could have exploited to misbehave without being caught.” These are the same months leading up to and during the Hugging Face cyber incident, although the report does not say the lack of monitoring played a role in that case. METR and Redwood also found numerous other gaps in OpenAI’s monitoring systems.

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When Ireland joined Nato’s Partnership for Peace a quarter of a century ago the neutrality fetishists claimed it amounted to the end of neutrality. It never arose in national discourse again. Exactly the same will happen in relation to the triple lock. Former soldier Declan Power in today’s Independent.

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El Pais English: Geoffrey Hinton, the godfather of AI: ‘I’m not a doomer. I think there’s a 1% chance it will destroy us’

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Years ago, when people asked Geoffrey Hinton why he worked on artificial intelligence, he would repeat a line from J. Robert Oppenheimer, one of the creators of the atomic bomb: “When you see something that is technically sweet, you go ahead and do it.”

Hinton no longer says that. Instead, he now devotes his time to warning about the dangers of continuing the very race he helped set in motion. He admits that, to some extent, he regrets the work to which he dedicated his life. His transformation from the godfather of AI into a prophet of catastrophe marked a turning point for the industry. It happened in 2023, when he stepped down from his position as vice president at Google amid dire warnings. At the time, some viewed his reaction as exaggerated. Three years later, many have followed his lead.

Hinton, a 78-year-old British expatriate, is a computer scientist and cognitive psychologist. His driving ambition was to understand how the human brain works in order to replicate those mechanisms in computers. In 1972, he coined the concept of the neural network. The idea was to create a mathematical system that could learn from examples, gaining experience much like human neural networks do. At the time, few researchers believed in the idea. Nor were there datasets large enough for such algorithms to learn from. Then came the internet.

Today’s artificial intelligence systems were built on the foundations of his work. That has earned him the nickname “the godfather of AI,” as well as the Turing Award, the Nobel Prize in Physics, and Spain’s Princess of Asturias Award. With a résumé like that, one might be tempted to bask in success, accepting praise and millions. But that was not his path.

Hinton left his role as vice president of Google in 2023 so that he could speak freely about the risks posed by this technology. So that he could give interviews like this one, in which he predicts the end of journalism produced by humans, laments what he sees as the fascist drift of Silicon Valley, and warns: if Donald Trump wins the midterm elections, it will mark the end of U.S. democracy.

The computer scientist has been taking part in the Starmus Festival on Tenerife and La Palma, in Spain’s Canary Islands. It is on the former island that he speaks to EL PAÍS.

Question. To prepare for this interview, I asked the AI to suggest several questions. Some of them were good.

Answer. You did well.

Q. Do you really believe that? Then what is the point of a journalist’s work? Why won’t an AI simply replace us?

A. It will.

Q. When?

A. When it does your job better than you, and it seems that is not far off. AI may be better at interviewing, but people still prefer people in some contexts. It can extract more useful information from the person being interviewed, and maybe it can extract it in a form that’ll be more useful for the readers. In which case, the newspaper will fire you. But for television, people may prefer to see a real person. So it’s a pity that you are a print journalist and not a TV journalist.

Q. You just took part in a discussion with Steven Pinker. He is famous for optimistic theories. But when it comes to AI, you’re more pessimistic…

A. But I’m not a doomer. I’m not saying what [Eliezer] Yudkowsky and Nate Soares say: that if anybody builds it, we’ll all die. Because they talk about 99% probabilities… I think there is a significant chance. It’s more than 1%, so we ought to really worry about it.

Q. Okay. But you were among the first to say: “Watch out, this can be dangerous.” You left your role at Google in 2023. How has AI evolved since then?

A. It has developed much faster than even I thought. The idea that within three years these chatbots would be able to do cyberattacks like the one against Hugging Face… Even three years ago that seemed a bit like science fiction. The idea that we’d have swarms of agents that escaped confinement, figured out how to communicate with each other and had emotions, like when one of them learns to communicate and says: ‘My God.’ That would have seemed like science fiction even three years ago. It’s all developing faster than we expected. And we have… If you look at experts’ estimates of how long until superintelligence, there’s one very consistent thing: they differ on timing, but they all place it closer and closer.

Q. Executives at Anthropic and OpenAI have called for regulation and expressed concerns about how powerful their products are right now, just as they prepare to go public. Isn’t that a bit odd? Do you think their concern is genuine or is there a commercial motive behind it?

A. Okay. Some say they are trying to get regulation to make it harder for startups to compete with them. I think that’s nonsense. Certainly Dario Amodei, CEO of Anthropic [maker of Claude], is genuinely concerned about the dangers of this. He wants regulation not to stop startups competing with Anthropic, but to stop AI destroying us. In other cases it may not be so. Amodei’s concern is genuine; that was evident when he refused to allow the U.S. Department of Defense to use Claude to surveil U.S. citizens. Sam Altman initially said he more or less agreed with Amodei. But when the U.S. administration stopped using Claude, Sam Altman immediately said: ‘We’ll do it.’ So Amodei is willing to suffer significant losses for his principles. That’s how you tell when someone means it: are they willing to lose something for it? Some are not. Amodei is.

Q. In your view, what responsibility should companies assume in setting limits on these models and what should fall to governments?

A. It’s very clear there should be regulation. It’s very clear that companies can’t be trusted to regulate themselves. There’s a long history: if energy companies pollute, you don’t let them regulate pollution. And with drug companies, if there’s no regulation, things like Thalidomide [the morning sickness drug that caused severe birth defects] happen. There has to be an agency that says you can’t release a drug unless you can prove to that agency that it’s safe. We should have exactly the same framework: you can’t release a chatbot without first demonstrating to a government agency that it is statistically safe.

Q. But in this competitive, globalized world, isn’t there a risk that China will take the lead? What would that mean?

A. That’s an argument tech companies use to try to avoid regulation, and they use it all the time. China regulates AI quite a bit. I don’t believe they’re entirely honest in that argument. But, for example, when Amodei said they wouldn’t allow it to be used to surveil U.S. citizens, Claude’s sales went up and OpenAI’s fell. People quit OpenAI and went to Claude because Amodei was taking a stand. So it’s not clear that taking a moral stand against the worst uses of AI will slow research or make the company uncompetitive. When you buy a car, do you buy the fastest one or one that’s reasonably fast but also safe?

Q. Probably the second, yes.

A. It’s as if carmakers said: ‘If we pay the extra cost to install seat belts, we won’t be able to make the cars as fast, and people want fast cars, so you’ll ruin our competitiveness.’ That’s simply not true.

Q. As well as an engineer, you are also a psychologist. At this festival you’ve debated with anthropologists and philosophers. Is it important that people who build this technology have these kinds of debates — more moral and humanist discussions, not so narrowly focused on technology?

A. I think it’s very important. How society uses that technology shouldn’t be just up to the technologists. The humanities are needed to say how this should be incorporated into society. You need political scientists and the humanities, not just the engineers. Engineers are not very good at thinking about people.

Q. It’s important, but is it happening?

A. No. Basically, there are the tech bros who are racing to develop the smartest thing because they think they’ll make huge amounts of money. That’s the only thing they seem to care about. So [Jeff] Bezos, [Elon] Musk, Altman and [Mark] Zuckerberg don’t want to pay taxes; they want to make huge amounts of money and they want to have a lot of influence by paying politicians…

Q. They want to go to space and stay young forever.

A. Yes, this idea of avoiding death is simply unrealistic. And Musk is competing to do crazy things. Much of this going-to-space rhetoric comes from technofeudalism. You should read a book called The Nerd Reich. It’s about the history of the political ideology underlying Silicon Valley, which comes from some rather crazy guys; there’s one named [Curtis] Yarvin. For example, Yarvin, before Trump was elected a second time, said: ‘If Trump is elected again, what we should do is appoint a CEO to enter government and get rid of a lot of the government.’ That’s exactly what Musk did, right? They were following Yarvin’s instructions, essentially. And they are technofeudalists. What they believe is that it’s unfair to tax the rich to support poor people, and that what you should do is have corporate states where the corporation runs the state, workers are essentially slaves and the rich can do whatever they want without laws constraining them. That’s what these guys believe, and one way to achieve it is to set up something under the sea, or on an artificial island miles from anywhere, or in space. So Musk wants to go to Mars. He says it’s for the survival of the species. It’s really about going somewhere where society’s laws don’t apply and we can invent the laws we want. Yes, these are scary people.

Q. I see the talk with Pinker hasn’t made you more optimistic…

A. Yes, regarding what’s happening with authoritarianism, I’m very pessimistic. Musk is now putting huge amounts of money into the midterms, and if he manages to stop the Democrats from winning them, stop them from controlling the House, that’s the end of American democracy. It’s scary. It’s as scary as the 1930s in Europe.

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This Day in History. JFK’s address on Cuban Missile Crisis shocks the nation

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JFK’s address on Cuban Missile Crisis shocks the nation

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Published: January 04, 2010 Last Updated: October 15, 2026

In a televised speech of extraordinary gravity, President John F. Kennedy announces on October 22, 1962, that U.S. spy planes have discovered Soviet missile bases in Cuba. These missile sites—under construction but nearing completion—housed medium-range missiles capable of striking a number of major cities in the United States, including Washington, D.C.

Kennedy announced that he was ordering a naval “quarantine” of Cuba to prevent Soviet ships from transporting any more offensive weapons to the island and explained that the United States would not tolerate the existence of the missile sites currently in place. The president made it clear that America would not stop short of military action to end what he called a “clandestine, reckless and provocative threat to world peace.”

What is known as the Cuban Missile Crisis actually began on October 14, 1962—the day that U.S. intelligence personnel analyzing U-2 spy plane data discovered that the Soviets were building medium-range missile sites in Cuba. The next day, President Kennedy secretly convened an emergency meeting of his senior military, political and diplomatic advisers to discuss the ominous development. The group became known as ExComm, short for Executive Committee. After rejecting a surgical air strike against the missile sites, ExComm decided on a naval quarantine and a demand that the bases be dismantled and missiles removed. On the night of October 22, Kennedy went on national television to announce his decision. During the next six days, the crisis escalated to a breaking point as the world tottered on the brink of nuclear war between the two superpowers.

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On October 23, the quarantine of Cuba began, but Kennedy decided to give Soviet leader Nikita Khrushchev more time to consider the U.S. action by pulling the quarantine line back 500 miles. By October 24, Soviet ships en route to Cuba capable of carrying military cargoes appeared to have slowed down, altered or reversed their course as they approached the quarantine, with the exception of one ship—the tanker Bucharest. At the request of more than 40 nonaligned nations, U.N. Secretary-General U Thant sent private appeals to Kennedy and Khrushchev, urging that their governments “refrain from any action that may aggravate the situation and bring with it the risk of war.” At the direction of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, U.S. military forces went to DEFCON 2, the highest military alert ever reached in the postwar era, as military commanders prepared for full-scale war with the Soviet Union.

On October 25, the aircraft carrier USS Essex and the destroyer USS Gearing attempted to intercept the Soviet tanker Bucharest as it crossed over the U.S. quarantine of Cuba. The Soviet ship failed to cooperate, but the U.S. Navy restrained itself from forcibly seizing the ship, deeming it unlikely that the tanker was carrying offensive weapons. On October 26, Kennedy learned that work on the missile bases was proceeding without interruption, and ExComm considered authorizing a U.S. invasion of Cuba. The same day, the Soviets transmitted a proposal for ending the crisis: The missile bases would be removed in exchange for a U.S. pledge not to invade Cuba.

The next day, however, Khrushchev upped the ante by publicly calling for the dismantling of U.S. missile bases in Turkey under pressure from Soviet military commanders. While Kennedy and his crisis advisers debated this dangerous turn in negotiations, a U-2 spy plane was shot down over Cuba, and its pilot, Major Rudolf Anderson, was killed. To the dismay of the Pentagon, Kennedy forbade a military retaliation unless any more surveillance planes were fired upon over Cuba. To defuse the worsening crisis, Kennedy and his advisers agreed to dismantle the U.S. missile sites in Turkey but at a later date, in order to prevent the protest of Turkey, a key NATO member.

On October 28, Khrushchev announced his government’s intent to dismantle and remove all offensive Soviet weapons in Cuba. With the airing of the public message on Radio Moscow, the USSR confirmed its willingness to proceed with the solution secretly proposed by the Americans the day before. In the afternoon, Soviet technicians began dismantling the missile sites, and the world stepped back from the brink of nuclear war. The Cuban Missile Crisis was effectively over. In November, Kennedy called off the blockade, and by the end of the year, all the offensive missiles had left Cuba. Soon after, the United States quietly removed its missiles from Turkey.

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Axios: Beyond Bibi

🔮 Beyond Bibi
 
Photo illustration of Benjamin Netanyahu and Donald Trump over abstract lines in the shape of the Middle East.
Photo illustration: Aïda Amer/Axios. Photos: Alessandra Benedetti/Corbis and Win McNamee/Getty Images
 
President Trump has endorsed Benjamin Netanyahu in Tuesday’s Israeli election. But some Trump advisers see opportunity for his Middle East agenda in a government led by someone else, U.S. officials tell Axios’ Barak Ravid.

Why it matters: Trump has never worked with an Israeli prime minister other than Netanyahu, and doesn’t personally know any of the other candidates. The two have forged a close but often turbulent relationship.
“He’s the devil he knows,” a Trump adviser said, describing the president’s view of Netanyahu.⚡

Driving the news: After weeks of hesitation, Trump endorsed Netanyahu last Sunday — and even suggested his defeat would have consequences for U.S.-Israel relations.

Many of Trump’s closest advisers opposed his decision to endorse Netanyahu, believing the president should stay out of the Israeli election, according to sources familiar with the discussions.

Vice President Vance notably declined to follow Trump’s lead when asked about the election this week, amid growing hostility toward Netanyahu in parts of the MAGA movement.

“I’m not attacking Bibi Netanyahu,” Vance told reporters. “I’m not endorsing Bibi Netanyahu. I think the president’s endorsement is ultimately what matters.”

🔎 Zoom in: The vice president is among those close to Trump who became disillusioned with Netanyahu during the war with Iran.

Vance and some top aides believe Netanyahu’s pre-war assessments to the White House were mistaken, deepening questions about whether he remains the best partner for achieving Trump’s regional ambitions.

🌐 The big picture: Once the Israeli election and U.S. midterms are over, Trump will face a defining choice for his Middle East agenda — whether to join Netanyahu in another major military operation against Iran.

Netanyahu is eager to move forward. But the election results could influence Trump’s decision, or at least the timing of any renewed large-scale fighting.

Trump also wants to move beyond the Iran war and pursue an ambitious diplomatic agenda that includes implementing his Gaza peace plan, brokering deals between Israel and Lebanon and Syria, and ultimately securing a historic Israeli-Saudi peace agreement.

Whether Trump can make progress on those goals will depend in part on who governs Israel — and what kind of coalition emerges from Tuesday’s vote

🇮🇱 What to watch: Polls point to a potential political deadlock.

Neither Netanyahu nor his main rival, former military chief Gadi Eisenkot, appears to have a clear path to the 61 seats needed to form a government.

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Axios: Intelligence warns of “advanced” Iranian plots

Intelligence warns of “advanced” Iranian plots
 
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U.S. intelligence finds Iran has “substantially increased” its efforts to target American diplomats and officials in the Middle East and beyond, with lethal plots reaching “advanced stages,” according to a memo yesterday to Secretary of State Marco Rubio, obtained by Axios’ Barak Ravid.

Why it matters: This is more evidence the war is likely to escalate after midterms on Nov. 3, 10 days from now. News of the memo exploded across the internet after Axios posted it last night, with media coverage worldwide.

U.S. officials say the intelligence is one reason the State Department is drawing down personnel at American embassies across the Middle East, amid mounting fears of a broader regional conflict.

U.S. officials also fear that Iran-backed Houthi rebels in Yemen could expand their attacks beyond Saudi Arabia to other countries in the region.

Adding to the volatile security environment is the prospect of renewed U.S. and Israeli military operations against Iran, potentially after the midterm elections.

President Trump said at a rally in Fort Myers, Fla., yesterday: “We may do another little Operation Epic Fury” unless the Iranians “will agree” to a deal.

“If they’re smart, they will just say: ‘Let’s get down to business.’ But I doubt they will do that because perhaps they’re not smart.”

✈️ State of play: Earlier this week, the State Department ordered family members and nonessential personnel to leave the U.S. Embassy in Riyadh and consulates in Jeddah and Dhahran.

Yesterday, the department also ordered reductions in U.S. diplomatic and government personnel at embassies in the UAE, Lebanon, Qatar and Jordan, a U.S. official said.Share this story.
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OCCRP: Deloitte Crypus, Roman Abramovich and the Offshore Billions

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Michael Smerconish: Experts Debate: How to Solve America’s Trillion National Debt.

Streamed live 18 hours agoThe U.S. national debt is now larger than the economies of China, Germany, Japan, Britain, and India combined. That’s $297,000 for every household in America, and $117,000 for every U.S. citizen. How do we lessen this burden on future generations? Facing off in this special live edition of “Can We Agree?“: Stephen Moore, who advised Donald Trump on the economy, says the cure is growth. Maya MacGuineas, who has led the Committee For a Responsible Federal Budget since 2003, says the fix requires both spending cuts and more tax revenue. Two serious people. One $40 trillion question. Can they agree?

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Axios: Anti-Trumpism fuels youth vote

Anti-Trumpism fuels youth vote
 
A bar chart that shows what drives likely U.S. voters ages 18 to 29 in their 2026 midterm vote. Opposition to Trump leads at 63%, followed by Trump not a factor at 17%, support of Trump at 14% and not sure at 6%. Survey dates were Sept. 30 to Oct. 7, 2026.Data: Harvard Youth Poll, Fall 2026; Chart: Emily Peck/Axios

Nearly 2 in 3 U.S. adults younger than 30 who plan to vote in the upcoming midterms say their main motivation is to oppose President Trump and his policies, Emily Peck and Margaret Talev report from a new Harvard Youth Poll.

77% of respondents disapprove of the president’s handling of the economy, including about half of young Republicans.Just 9% say the U.S. is headed in the right direction — the lowest in the survey’s history.

💸 Topping the list of what young people consider serious threats to their long-term financial security: rising prices and the cost of living (79%), the power of large corporations (68%) and trade wars (68%).

Nearly half said that their household is struggling to make ends meet or is getting by with limited financial security.A line chart that shows how Americans ages 18 to 29 rated the nation’s direction in semiannual surveys from 2009 to 2026. “Right direction† ranges from 9% to 26%, peaking in March 2021. “Wrong track† rises from a low of 35% in March 2021 to 62% in September 2026.Data: Harvard Youth Poll; Chart: Emily Peck/Axios

Stunning stat: For the first time in the poll’s history, the share of young adults who said they expect to be worse off than their parents (27%) slightly exceeded the share who said they expect to be better off (25%).

The difference was within the poll’s margin of error, but the longer-term trend is striking.

In the fall of 2021, 39% expected to be better off than their parents, while just 17% expected to be worse off.

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